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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Dec 15, 2011 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

Its being near christmas and all, figured I should hype this Run Rudolph Run. Its good fun and Keith is shining with that honky tonk keyboard. I wonder why he was so up front in his first few months only to be dropped back in the mix by euro 72 and for the rest of his tenure.

For the rest of the show, I don't know too much (you tell me), though this dark star is quite nice a few minutes in, and the sound quality is muy bueno no?

Merry Xmas atheists.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-12-15.sbd.miller.97718.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 15, 2011 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

Part of why I enjoy all of 71, a TRANSITION yr in so many respects ("the" transition yr, all time, for the DEAD I'd say), is this mix issue you allude to...the Oct 71 DP's show with Keith, as discussed prior many times (one of CLIFF's favs of the fall if I recall) features him relatively cleanly, as do the famous Felt Forum shows the week before this show of yours (ie, 4-7 Dec), and the Harding from Nov (7th) the month before...By the late 70s when I was seeing him live, I often had to focus my complete attn to even determine if he was playing, even though I was watching him (which usu made it easy for an auditory twit such as me).

Aside, re: your wishes...I heard an NPR piece on how atheists are viewed by the general public in the US--they were placed between rapists and some other negative category (sorry, escapes me). Maybe it's a hold over from the Cold War (atheistic totalitarian regimes gave the group a bad name perhaps?). Personally, I am an agnostic--not sure where they fall, not sure I wanna find out!

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Poster: Judge TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2011 3:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

"they were placed between rapists and some other negative category (sorry, escapes me). "

Ah do ba-lieve tha word is "Yankees" that allayall are sur-chin fah.

Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: craven714 Date: Dec 15, 2011 9:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

It depends...
Do you live Narth or Sauouth of the Manson-Nixon line?

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Dec 15, 2011 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

When you say Oct. 71 DPs are you referring to Dick's Picks 2. If so he is absent from the mix entirely. Was he actually at the show? I posted a thread a while back asking why he isn't there but got no response. I think I would probably agree with you about this being THE transition period. I wonder if anyone around here was there and would love to hear what they thought about this new dead sound. I can only imagine the disappointment some heads had going to a show expecting dark star other ones and getting a shit ton of 5 minute rock and roll songs. "the dead are washed up, man..."

Yes it is quite unfortunate that atheists are seen as evil. I'd rather be seen as evil than be an ignoramus, personally.
I also find it quite disheartening that you must proclaim faith ("believing what you know ain't so") to be the president of this country. Its far better to do good for goodness sake than out of fear of other worldly repercussions. People think that denying god makes people think they can do whatever they want, it hasn't for me, and as I've become more of an atheist, if thats possible, i've become much more a person who focuses on being good, but there is no correlation between the two, just maturing thats all. Don't get me started on religion Mr. Tell, fucking intellectual poison.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 15, 2011 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

Damn--there goes the memory short circuit again; he is LOW in the DP? I have that, but I was thinking I had a tape of that show and he was high, or at least audible in some jam interchanges with Jerry, but I could be completely off...I know CLIFF would be able to clear things up now that I've muddied it...if you had posted that, ie, listened lately, then I'd defer to that. Hmmm, maybe this is why I stay out of DEAD posts, lately, eh? Crap.

Hey, I agree with you and Arb, re: religion...it was just so shocking to hear it, the NPR broadcast, I almost didn't believe it, but wife was in the car and exclaimed "did you hear that!?" so we both had the same impression...maybe we heard it wrong; I think you can visit their website for segments like that.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Dec 15, 2011 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

Well, about DP 2, I believe I am wrong. If you listen very very closely you can hear him, and that is only at some spots during the six tracks. But he is near inaudible. I had trouble finding him from the source available here with the other songs from the show as well.

But I guess the question still remains, why is he so low when he is soo upfront in all of the other shows I've heard from this period?

And you didn't hear them wrong on NPR. I've also heard similar stats about atheists.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Dec 15, 2011 3:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

really? that is the general public view of athiests in amerika per npr? those polled must live far removed from my neck of the woods, because i have never come across even one person who had that particular negative view; on the other hand, i've never attracted (or desired) the overtly religious to my sphere of influence, so my experience may lie outside the norm

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Dec 15, 2011 3:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

It really is odd as being a reasonable person is looked at as a good thing. You'd be thought a fool if you said a pink unicorn rules the universe, but if you say some amorphous guy who is beyond description yet is continually described wrote a far from profound book, you're on the right track. It truly is mind blowing. And yet, chances are just as well that a pink unicorn rules the universe as this continually dissolving god does.

I'm glad I live in an area like yours, mostly irreligious. Yet, im still an over-confident deluded schmuck.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 15, 2011 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

Yes, it certainly runs counter to the academic world, but of course, Professors probably rank somewhere between slime mold and bottom-dwelling butt munchers (a common enough lower life form, according to Dire, our resident humanoid X critter taxonomist).

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 15, 2011 7:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

"By the late 70s when I was seeing him live, I often had to focus my complete attn to even determine if he was playing, even though I was watching him."

That was pretty funny!
The band probably felt the same way....

And yes, you're mistaken about DP2 - Keith is barely audible on that CD. Just a tape-mixing glitch, most likely.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 15, 2011 7:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

Keith may sound more upfront on many of these tapes because the Dead had a different sound crew in fall '71 than they did in '72. There was a different person taping the shows (Rex Jackson, I think, did it in late '71) - Dan Healy went to see them at the Felt Forum in Dec '71 and thought their sound sucked so much he decided to rejoin them as the soundman the following year - also in Europe '72 and afterwards they got Bob Matthews & Betty Cantor & the Alembic crew to do the sound. So there are many reasons for late '71 to sound different from '72. (Jerry also changed guitars by E72, though I don't remember which month.)
And Keith isn't so upfront on ALL these '71 tapes - on that DP, as you mentioned, he's barely there (though he's a bit more present on Miller's copy of the first set).
And remember - on the tapes you hear, Keith's loudness is entirely the result of the tapemix. The only way to tell how loud he sounded at the show is to check the audience tapes, when available - and for late '71, I don't think there are any. (Probably because people were just taping the FM broadcasts instead!)

And yes, though the Dead acquired many new fans in '71 (the Skull & Roses live album was their best-selling album), some old-timers were disappointed. There's a review in the Tapers Compendium from a guy who went to see 10-21-71 and thought their performance was so abysmal & lifeless, the band was finished!
That kind of perspective is forgotten these days - but in the early '70s, people going to see them could really see the band's energy level diminish from year to year. Some people were dismayed at Keith's loud presence in the mix; and some, needless to say, were horrified by Donna; and many, of course, felt the band was over when Pigpen left. In the past I've posted about an amusing review from a guy who saw the band in '73 and thought they were just awful compared to when he saw them at the Fillmore in 1970...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Dec 15, 2011 7:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

LIA, as always, your responses are greatly appreciated. Thanks for chiming in.

Neat to hear that my intuitions about the transition were likely the case with some people.

If you don't mind me asking, what was your touring experience like with the dead? Earliest shows, how many, the normal gist. ..

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 15, 2011 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

I never saw them.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Dec 15, 2011 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

Both December 1971 Hill Auditorium performances were excellent, my preference is the evening prior.

Check out the stellar Cryptical > Drums > The Other One. The interplay between Jerry, Phil and Keith on The Other One is stunning with Bill, Pig & Weir following closely in rhythm. One word sums it up; "Drippy!"


Hill Auditorium Ann Arbor, MI December 14th, 1971

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-12-14.sbd.cantor-orf.133.shnf

Set 1:

Truckin, Sugaree, Mr. Charlie, Beat it On Down The Line, Loser, Jack Straw, Next Time You See Me, Tennessee Jed, El Paso, Big Railroad Blues, Me & My Uncle, Run, Rudolph, Run, Black Peter, Playing in the Band, Casey Jones

Set 2:

Ramble On Rose, Mexicali Blues, Big Boss Man, Cryptical Envelopment > Drums > The Other One > Wharf Rat, Sugar Magnolia, You Win Again, Not Fade Away > Going Down the Road > Not Fade Away


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Poster: boat man Date: Dec 16, 2011 7:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Santas Gotta Make it to Town - TDIH

The 14th was actually my first show. I was just a kid and it was my birthday.
I had two much older cousins who worked at the auditorium as ushers and they let me hang with them.
I remember the first set, especially the Run Run Roudolph, as I always called it, but I think I was too tired to remember much of the second set other than the Other One suite, which freaked me out.
It was a cold, mushy Ann Arbor night but I'll always remember the smelly, steamy, smoky glow of that old auditorium.